Monday, July 25, 2005

shoot to kill

Jean Charles de Menezes

The BBC brings home the shocking reality behind the weekend’s revelations...

Police chief 'sorry' over death

Met Police chief Sir Ian Blair has apologised to the family of the Brazilian man shot dead by police in south London on Friday.

He said the death of Jean Charles de Menezes was a "tragedy", but admitted more people could be shot as police hunt suspected suicide bombers.

The 27-year-old electrician's family condemned the shooting and said there was no reason to suspect him.

Meanwhile a third man has been arrested by police under the Terrorism Act. Police said on Sunday that the man was arrested in Tulse Hill, south London, on Saturday evening. He is the third man to be questioned under the Terrorism Act.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke described the shooting of Mr Menezes as an "absolute tragedy".

Mr Menezes, who lived in Tulse Hill, was completely unconnected to Thursday's attempted bombings, Scotland Yard has confirmed.

The one thing I have to commend The Metropolitan Police for is holding their hands up immediately for this tragic error and not trying to cover it up.

That being said, is this REALLY the policy we want to put an end to terrorism?

This man was a suspect because he was supposedly “seen emerging from a block of flats that was under surveillance”.

Let’s face it – his having dark skin did not help. Does this mean my Portuguese heritage makes me a target should I happen to find myself in the wrong place at the wrong time?

I cannot even begin to imagine what the police officers said to him on their first approach that made him start to run.

What the terrorists want is to be known as terrorists. I say we downgrade them to anarchists and stop providing them with proof that we are willing to live in a permanent state of terror.

Oh yeah, and doing whatever it takes to be sure more innocent people aren’t shot dead by the good guys would be nice too.


nin said...

The guy made a mistake.....when the police asked him to stop he fled.....
it may happen in this traumatic situation....after all they are also human being.....nice blog...
take care.....

Buffalo said...

It is a tragedy anytime an innocent is killed or sent to prison.

I have no idea what prompted them to shoot.

Although they may have been "profiling" him, while not PC it is certainly understandable

I do know attempting to outrun someone with a weapon isn't a good bet.

fairygirl701 said...

How awful! Just a senseless tragedy.

James Howard Shott said...

A tragedy, yes.

But an entirely avoidable one. Why was he wearing a heavy coat on a July day, making himself look suspicious? Why didn't the guy stop when ordered, as witnesses testified?

Everyone's on edge. Let's pray this or something similar doesn't happen again.

shandi said...

It's surprising to me just how often things like this happen. My ex-husband was a cop. He came down a bar alley and found a man holding a gun to the head of another man. He shot and killed the man, and was later fired for the incident. Because what he did not know... the gun was empty.
I can't imagine what peace officers go through.
Terrorism instills paranoia. Just how far are we going to take this?
Like you, I'm glad they took responsiblity for their mistake.

sex scenes at starbucks said...

Jeez, I guess I'll quit getting so tan.

Lone Ranger said...

Care to look at pictures of Islamic terrorists? They have dark skin, they have black hair, they have brown eyes, and they are ALL Muslims! QUICK! SHOOT THAT SWEDE!

Profiling is a perfectly valid procedure. That's why the FBI hires profilers to find serial killers. Terrorists ARE serial killers! This politically correct, multicultural mindset is no longer just stupid, it's suicidal.

JL Pagano said...

Lone Ranger, I did some profiling on you and I see you claim to have been a broadcast journalist for 32 years.

Interesting how ya thrust yer big cowboy boots into this topic without first learning the facts.

This man was not Muslim. He was born Christian. If his death was a result of profiling, then profiling sucks.

Thanks for all your comments like I say they are always welcome...

The Michael said...

We have people doing incredibly stupid things over here all the time. Just like those with the slightest amount of common sense know that stepping into the path of an oncoming train or bus will get you killed, most of us have the smarts to understand that you do not approach a cop in a threatening manner, brandishng a weapon. We call such "tragedies" suicide by cop.
If the man did not understand english, had been in the basement without television or radio for that entire week, had been told, "You look like a terrorist, stay still so we can shoot you", had some kind of weird medical condition that required him to wear winter coats on HOT summer days, and had not just exited a building under surviellance, then maybe I could question the cops' behavior. Short of that......all I can ask is, "What in the HELL was this guy thinking?"
Wrong place, wrong time, wrong circumstances, such things all conspired to make this happen. If you can convince me that those cops are glad it happened, then I could lay more blame on them. After all, it is entirely possible this guy could have worn an explosive belt under that coat, and if the cops had let him run like he did, and he ran straight to the tube, and killed alot of people, then you'd be screaming at them for the carnage. You want perfect cops with x-ray vision and the ability to read minds? Fine. Build us one. Till then, humans are what we got. And Humans make mistakes.

JL Pagano said...

Thank you (the) Michael for your comment.

I totally get your sarcasm re: the perfect cop, but I think you misunderstood the post.

It's entitled "shoot to kill" and refers to the policy, not the behaviour of individual police officers.

Policies are formulated by experienced minds in top level positions, specifically to reduce the likelihood that the officers on the ground will minimize the very human errors to which you refer.

I wonder how you would feel if five plain clothes police officers brandishing guns questioned you in the street for no apparent reason.